I thought Chad did come in to have his say and I thought you summarised it Ron. Personally, I'm very grateful for the freebies Daz have given out over the years. The street scene props get used time and again in my animations. I'm only vaguely aware of the copyright problem, it doesn't affect me at all, but I am aware that the forum has been obsessed with it to the detriment of other threads and requests for help. I can well understand a company protecting it's interests. Frankly, it's beginning to bore me...