Wow... sorry I'm late for the party... been working. Frankly Jack, I appreciate your wonderful "spin". I think it's terrific. And it's always good to know that the PP folks who hate rosity so much still maintain accounts here so that they can drop by and pat you and mehndi and russ on the back with regularity. Must feel good to have a herd of weasels. And as for DAZ's theoretical ability to prevent anything from being made for Vicky/Mike/Whatever, I'd just loave to see them try... In fact, right now I'm pissed enough that I might model a female figure with the exact Victoria sizes, and then tailor Vicky's morphs to accomodate and distribute it for free just to fuck with them. See if they can get me legally? Know what? I'll bet you a buffalo nickel they can't, cause the mesh will be mine. I'll just call it Whopper-Girl. Paul