Hey, I have a plan to fix everything. Why doesn't the Poser community get together and create PUBLIC DOMAIN, high quality character meshes that rival Mike and Vicky? Let's call them "LINUS" and "LUCY," because thse two characters should be like "Linux," i.e. open for anybody to play with and improve upon for free. Daz's importance to the Poser community boils down to two things: Mike and Vicky. They own them and so they can dictate the rules. But surely some of the talented Poser pros who frequent this place can get together and come up with something equally as good, if not better. And if they donate these two new characters to the Poser world, then DAZ won't have such a stranglehold over all of us and we can all go back to having fun again. It's be a hell of a lot more useful than all this arguing. What do you say, talented Poser gurus? If Daz continues to own everything, think of all the money you'll be losing by not being able to peddle your wares freely. It's time to act! Form a "LINUS" and "LUCY" creation consortium. Free Poser now!!!