Paul, Yes, some things do need to be said, I would never debate you on that. :o) Just wanted to try and make it a little more possible for those things to not only be said but heard. I don't know the entire history of everything that transpired to create the hard feelings that are plain to see from both sides. I am no stranger to having such myself with other people in the Community. There are many in this Community who hate/blame me for things that happened. Some I am responsible for and did, some I didn't. The one thing I DID learn from this Community is: "What goes around, comes around...and with a vengeance!!" Personally, I just want to see what happens in the next few days, I am sure that things will be illuminated and be very clear in that time. I think till that happens the best all can do, is wait patiently to see before freaking out. You said: "So what does this thread accomplish beyond the so many others? Nothing." You're wrong Paul, it did accomplish something. People have read it and though they may not act immediately upon that information, they carry it within them and eventually will make decisions based upon it. In this thread they have now been able to hear both sides of the coin, told in a calm and rational manner without flames and will be able to make an informed decision... no matter what side they choose... we can at least know they've heard both... right or wrong. Like I said, I don't have much invested in this Community anymore. I am not going to pick sides. I will support anyone that has ties in this Community. I don't have to have an affiliation with them to support them, nor do I have to like one side over another, so long as the Community or my own needs are taken care of. If they aren't, well then, I wont be giving them my support any longer. And all I was trying to say was: "that it does no one any good if you pee in your own sandbox, because you and your friends will end up having to play in that crap." Jack