actually, you all are already infringing on my copyright. See, I meant red and all dirivatives. Well, hell if companies can change what their readme's mean..I can too. so since I own red...purple and pink are dirivatives. and since it appears we can also interpret a copyright to mean anything we want..then I also interpret the other colors that do not contain red as dirivatives by defining them as "the absence of red". but I have to admit...claiming the shape "round" has me at a loss on how I can claim a copyright violation out of it. lol BT