clint, for about $30,000, you can get an excellent knock-off. They're not quite as fast, but they get much better gas mileage. Aeryk, My article is going to be in the march issue of 3D Artist Magazine, about how to use the mesh-form modeler as a more advanced version of the free form modeler. Also, i gan give you any help you need.... Brian, I didn't have the oversampling set to best... I'm going to try it now. thanx guys. BrainMuffin