I agree. It always works properly when people make whatever they make for sale or free if there are no hang-ups like your rule of copyright. Then everyone is supporting each other. This is how it works as a common interst community. There has to be a good enough reason to buy your figures, such as everything out there that is made for them including your own products. You, DAZ3D, have cut those reasons WAY down. Now I hope makers start to turn to Vina D, a better model than Victoria anyway. And emulating a "shape" is not breaking a copyright. Alex