Kattman, It may be used by you for that small isolated technique, but in the context of the question, which I answered, it definately applies to the entire idea of transformations. He asked "is it like texture", and I replied "no". Moebius is not like texture. It may be used as a name for a technique which yield a certain appearance, but it isn't texture. Now you are wondering why I think that the wider application is the right, as well as more complete, answer? He could quite easily have seen any of the Siggraph entries from past years, showing this effect in 3D space, especially if he is taking classes in this stuff. Animated 3D space. Architectural 3D space. Or even, gasp, the commercials showing little marching men (was that Poser 1?) endlessly circling in 3D space. We work in 3D space and some of us actually utilize it to its more warpable extremes. (If you think my sense of humor is twisted!!! you should see my designs.) This person may be a beginner, but we have no idea of what he might be able to do, given inspiration... and a correct answer... and the idea that exploring is fun. Lemurtek, Yep. :) Nabbed that bottle when it appeared. I think I've got another one, too... maybe from PropsGuild? I envy Little_Dragon's database, but have no desire to set up spreadsheets for everything... that is work. Are you familiar with "The Space Child's Mother Goose"? I like the way he plays with the language as well as the concepts. Here are two appropriate to this thread: "Three jolly sailors from Blaydon-on-Tyne They went to sea in a bottle by Klein. Since the sea was entirely inside the hull The scenery seen was exceedingly dull." "Flappity, Floppity, Flip! The mouse on the Moebius Strip. The Strip Revolved, The Mouse dissolved In a chronodimensional skip." Frederick Winsor must have been an incredible father or favorite uncle. Sigh. Carolly