Hiram, Mine is from Marcabros, the Mike Jester series mentioned above. Rena at FairyWoods had a "standing ruff" which had been used on cuffs before she put it around a neck... or vice versa... for one of her characters. (Falling ruff is a term for the later ones which lie down on the garment.) There was a thread about commissioning Elizabethan clothing for a certain time and place. (PhilC showed me a sneak peak, and it is going to be Way Cool if the rest of the garments follow suit... but I shouldn't say anything more than that.) You might check at 3dcommune, perhaps Marcabros hasn't removed the links from that site? Carolly