"In Greed We Trust" Hypotheticaly Speaking: If I to make my own characters from scratch not based on Mike, Vickie, etc, and that cut into DAZ' profits and they tried to find a way to profit from that, I think that might be considered restraint of trade, or infringement on my copyright or something like that. Most people don't buy DAZ products just because they look good but because they see some potential either for artistic or commercial purposes. The clothing issue is a similar one. If I make clothes not already on the market place for sale it is likewise unreasonable to expect interference from DAZ unless the model of the character can be extracted from my product. Derivitive works issues asside, if I cannot make and sell (or make freebe) clothing for DAZ characters, taking reasonable precautions of course, DAZ characters are useless to me except for educational purposes and what I buy from them will reflect that. What I see as the biggist problem here is Poser characters are considered like "Ken and Barbie" rather than as professional graphic arts tools. This opinion has to change before anything else will. -bikermouse