well, i can read it, but not reply. i found this part questionable: steve says: "The only thing DAZ considers unfair, and therefore illegal, is when someone creates a character that then makes it possible for people to truly benefit from the Millennium Figures CR2 contents without having to purchase the Millennium Figure itself." firstly, when is 'fair' synonymous with 'legal'? (or 'unfair' with 'illegal'?) you can't just decide things like 'well, making a free product that competes with my for-sale product is unfair, so that is illegal.' now they want to copyright their mesh -- that's fine. they want to copyright their version 2 cr2's (ie: the morphs), okay, i can see that. and then yes, copying parts of the mesh, or the ver 2 morph code would be a copyright violation. however, the tailor does neither of these things. therefore, i don't see what's so all-fired 'illegal.' unfair? maybe. yeah, hey, i can get somebody's body suit that makes my skinny michael look like he has m2 morphs. big deal. i can't make any variants of the suit; none of those cool transparency things (after all, the m1 body under it doesn't fit into the m2-morphed suit, so they won't fit right). you cant stick vv or smv bikinis on victoria 1, cuz they'll... well heck, they'll fall off! i also see on the thread that the fear of reverse-engineering is also possibly over stated. you could, theoretically, get a (free) morphing michael body suit, and make the tailor try to match your m1 figure to the clothing's m2 morph. and come up with an approximation of the m2 morphs on your m1 figure. but according to tailor users, the result would be very crude and not at all a threat to the salability of michael and his version 2 morphs. i think daz has to sit down with this, and define what, exactly, is really illegal about anything going on, here.