Jeff and ironbear I do agree with you that as far as the law goes the position stated by daz last week is rather overreaching and probably indefensable. my letter went to the spirit of the matter that any attempt to overcontrol the use of their products would likely cause several modelers to curtail some of their more ambitious projects just to avoid the hassles of dealing with Daz's objections. Can you be sure that if Daz objects to an item in the marketplace that it won't be pulled by renderosity just to avoid hassles or animosity. knee jerk resposes aren't unknown even in this enlightened community. the sad fact of the matter is that those who want the version 2 morphs without paying for them will Just find them complete with the figures themself using peer to peer. they're all out there, including practicly every product in the marketplace. alienating the community who does buy your products and uses them in the proper maner seems to me to be shortsighted. my letter was just an attempt to offer them another point of view before any real damage is done, though the fact that products have already been pulled even if temporarily seems to support my unease. legume and others while your point on the longevity of these figures is valid I see them as at the beginning of their useful lifespan and not at the end I have invested a fair amount in these figures and if suddenly gifted modelers choose to use their talents elsewhere it can only split the community and my own resorces.