I think I see what Legume is getting at, Poser5 is just around the corner "hopefully", when it finally does arrive practically everything in the Daz store will be obscelete, if you remember the list of new features that was posted a while back it stated no millenium figures would be part of the basic package, they won't be needed, just like any clothing item for them will also not be needed. The Tailor program will be out too because of the "clothing creator" built into poser. Daz stands to lose a lot of business when poser 5 comes out, who wants a boring low res vicky or mike when you have a top of the range set of figures that make vicky/mike look like poser1 figures. Daz have been advised to do what they're doing to try to survive what happens with the release of P5, I really don't care anymore, I came to this site because of art like most people here & I'm going to ignore any thread that mentions the Daz/Tailor problem from now on. Rob