I know I didn't start this thread to endorse DAZ's current opinion, or to give a knee jerk reaction. Just to try and offer some means of 'coping' or working around/with the current stance of DAZ. As for working on the app with Russell to try and get a better, less step, solution using the principle of encoding.. Don't use it if you don't want. I know that it adds steps, and yet another tool among a growing sea. But, until DAZ changes their position this is just an attempt at a solution. I'm not asking for people to agree with DAZ. And, those that object to the creation of it can just not use it and ignore its' creation :) Tom