How many time did I read the statement : "Why not changing for another 3D app that have better render and faster engine..." ? Somes even argue : "Another 3D package have a modeller included"... Many answers are : "Can you find a 3D package that is so cheap ?". I answer "Yes !". And it's true, I agree with that people that can find X or Y package for not so many more bucks than Vue. But, did you try to create hills and mounts and valleys with these apps ? Did you try to change in less than 10 seconds the global light or atmosphere settings of your scene for fitting what you want ? Did you try to create your own procedural textures ? Did you try to create six trees all different from each other ? etc... Yes, Vue is not a perfect program. Many 3D applications are far better than this one and, effectively, for sometime not so many extra bucks. But remember how many time you spent to have a good control of what you do. Remember how many time you were searching one feature in a sub-sub-sub menu lost in the middle of thousand other sub-menus. etc... Personaly, I prefer spending a little more time in rendering time than in trying to understand the interface of the application I got on my screen or spending all my time my nose in the manual searching a feature. And, a last comment, Looking at the Vue's gallery or at the post of some new user's sending us their first try at vue, I think that some of us are really able to have some great pictures from a so "crappy render engine". And one last thing (hey, it looks like the previous one was not the last !), I think that the e-on staff knows their job ? I'll maybe passing for a puritan guy, but I was shocked from the way some answered the Lynn's announcement about importing Poser's animation in Vue. I suppose that e-on staff is aware of the speed of their rendering engine and they probably know that most of us don't have high-end computers. And even more, when this problem was discussed, Lynn's answered "Don't judge, WAIT and SEE". I supposed it could probably means that it was a non-official answer that they fixed the problem... Now, for the people still thinking Vue is crap, I suggest this : let them founding a company that they can call... mmm... 'F-Out Graphic' And let them start to work on a project that can be named... errrr... 'Spirit View' or 'Mind's Eyes', why not ? I'll be the first one to take my hands on the demo of that kind of products... :-)