"This whole thing is not an issue specifically with The Tailor; it is an issue of morph and mesh ownership and protection." Thanks, Chad. That was precisely what some very worried 3rd party clothes developers (such as myself) were afraid of. Our fear was that your very sweeping definition of an unacceptable derivative would effectively ban all 3rd party stuff that fits DAZ figures. None of us could believe that was your intention. Point 3) of your answer seems to me to be precisely the answer we've been hoping for : "We have, however, regularly allowed people to use Michael to create Michael clothes, even when those clothes compete directly with similar Michael clothes for sale at DAZ." That would be to use the figure/shape, and of course NOT the actual mesh or morphs, as I read you, Chad. Since using the figure/shape as a "mannequin" to fit new clothing on is exactly what 3rd partyers do, I will take the liberty of considering this a DAZ (informal) acceptance of using DAZ stuff as a reference, but of course not as actual raw material, when creating 3rd party stuff. Your generosity in accepting this, EVEN IF THE NEW STUFF COMPETES WITH YOURS is noted. Unnecessary, though, if 3rd partyers are guided by enlightened self-interest. Your are certainly right in pointing out that it's far easier to develop add-ons than developing the figures that are the sine qua non of the whole business. It follows logically that it is in the best interests of the 3rd partyer to avoid doing stuff that might have a negative impact (however small) on DAZ sales, and thus DAZ' desire to remain in the Poser market. I think it was Toyota's enlightened (now retired) boss who once said about selling : "We do not want to sell cars to customers. We want to establish a long-term supplier-consumer realationship to fulfil people's personal transportation needs." That's not moral high ground, that's sound, enlightened self-interest. IMHO, that is the spirit the Poser community as a whole has been operating under until now, and DAZ has been doing a lot to promote it. With Chad's above statement, I'd say we can all go back to work knowing that the spirit's still intact. And now I'll vacate the soapbox and get back to my vertex-pushing. I'm sure a lot of people were getting bored listening to my verbose worries - I know I was ;o)