Thanks for your constructive answer, Eric. It's not a problem to test rendering settings, as you can see in my previous post on this thread, and it's not a problem comparing different 3D softwares... Of course, nobody wrote as explicitely "Vue is crap", but that was more or less the substance of post that I had to read, without searching one year ago... I agree with you, the origin of this thread was very usefull and I too will probably loose less time in rendering... I look at your picture and I see a large difference. Look at the C4D picture. Decoding what I see lead me to think that this app calculate silhouette of the shadow and blur it all. Look at the vue, the blurring is function of the distance. That makes a lot of difference. But, I agree with you, even if that process takes more rendering time, that not justify the huge difference between 20 s. and 40 mn. What I also see is that your soft shadows on ultra rendering are not grainy... ;-) What was shocking for me is that when Lynn's invited you to wait and see, posts continued to talk about the speed of render engine. I think that when that message was posted, that was meaning that the staff of E-on have read your complains the first time... Of course, one more time, I didn't see post that state explicitaly to "change for a better and faster software" but I invite you to re-read your own message : "Of course comparing the $200 VUE4 with the $1700 Cinema4DXL7 is not fair. But there are many low cost 3D softwares with a better rendering engine than VUE : Truespace 6 ($600) and Carrara Studio 2 ($400) for example. They can both produce perfect renders. They have a higher price tag but don't forget that they include a complete modeler and many others features not yet available in VUE." And I have no time to go search the Lynn's announcement... For the "many othe features not yet available in Vue", you probably include the SolidGrowth (TM), the terrain editor, the rocks and planets editor, the importing of full PZ3, etc... I not agree with you for the fact that Vue would be as complicated as other 3D softwares if it includes more features. E-on staff prove their ease to put powerfull features with keeping a clear interface. Go to see the material editor, the terrain editor or atmosphere editor. And I suppose the integration of Poser animations in Vue will be as easy... And surely I will be more than happy to have a faster rendering engine in Vue, but what I was pointing in my post is that I think E-on staff is already working on that, so it's useless to post again and again complains about that... They prove in each version that they were listening to user's voices, so, wait and see... Well, it's time to return to my Vue scene... :-)