Crescent and scifiguy: try it...then look at her face. Allerleirauh's transmapped curls are here in freestuff. What really slays me about the "DinaV" situation is that the most frequently "seen" (maybe not "used") morph for Victoria is what I mentally refer to as "big tits". DinaV comes stock with "big tits" and people are put off. I think that's hysterical (just my perverted sense of humor) I built a new dual-athlon specifically to be able to use DinaV and Zbrush to their fullest capacity (morphing). I think sooner or later you have to face the fact that 3d graphics needs heavy hardware. You've got a female model already (DinaV), use her. Still can't wait for the male!