Actually Ron, you're wrong. The arrival of Poser 5 doesn't make this a moot point, if anything it makes it more of a point because of the nature of some of what Poser 5 allegedly is offering, and Daz's still ambiguous stance on what they define as derivative. As for the millenium couple going the way of Dork and Posette. Also highly unlikely. Dork and Posette are still used by the community, you can still download new clothes and textures for them. Same with Mike and Vic. With the morphability of those two and the array of products available and planned, they aren't dying or dead yet and won't be until a vastly superior pair are released. I know there are rumours of Mike/Vic 3.0 but I'll believe that when I see it. So, forgetting about the protection utilities isn't an option, for the same reasons that the original Objaction Mover is still in use today. Having said that I intend to save up for Poser 5 as well, but I'll wait for it to arrive in a UK store before I purchase it. No way am I going to pay the extortionate shipping costs that have been asked for Poser 4, Pro Pack and the P4 upgrade. I figure that being the case I should get it about a year after everyone else. So, Poser 4 and it's issues will be very much current for myself and a few others. :) Nevertheless, Chad's statement is reassuring and I'll take up any ambiguities in different threads that are intended to address them if I feel that I might be affected by them.