Yes, right:-). And I always agree with what I have said. But I have paid more for it 6 or 7 years ago then Vue's price is today:-). And no vegetations, no great features in there, even no bending possible. Just the render engine! Today I have to pay 400$ for Carrara (Dream 3D's suite, in a sort) to get the same powerful render engine. And almost no plants in there. Guitta