Ron, 1. Always read kupa's messages kupa = steve cooper from curious labs 2. I wouldn't be giving anyone a release date. Yes, the screen shots are cool & features to drool over. But we don't know anything about what bugs need to be ironed out. Not to mention production details (creation of CDs, printing the manual, packaging the product, etc.) It'll take a lot more than programing to get P5 in our hot little hands. It's nice to dream though. 3. Some things might become obsolete, but I don't think we should worry about that too much. we'll still need alot of the things that are out there. For example that figure's texture looked like a mike texture to me, so in all likelyhood Mike & Vicky stuff are good to go. and although the face center appears to help with the creation of textures they might not be of the highest quailty (a good starting point though) 4. I fully agree with the "save your pennies" part though. Some of us might even need to upgrade the ole' computer too (like me, ::SOB::)