I disagree with your assessment of the figures. I and a lot of other people use Posette and dork a lot as "stock" figures in a render. For filling empty spaces, populating a scene and general ducks in a stall posette and dork are excellent. Mike and Vic are central characters because of their versatility. As you say yourself, there's so much stuff available that it's not really logical to write it off. For instance, Poser 3 has been given away free on a magazine disk, this resulted in a renewed demand for Poser 3 compatible people and items. Poser 4 will go the same way. Some people will stick with it regardless, most likely because they can't afford the system upgrade to use Poser 5 and low end systems that struggle a bit with P4 now will choke to death on P5. As for the default P5 figures. Hrrm. When I see one without a texture map on it and posed and I knew where they came from, I'll make a judgement there. People were very pleased with the small improvements to the P4 fem during her translation from P3, but as you know, it wasn't long before problems showed through and Eve/Azura was the result of that. As for the rest of what you say, yeah, I agree with that, including mover which I think I've used about a dozen times. As for not buying for the current version of Poser. If P5 has cloth dynamics included then P4 clothing will work in it, just about as well as it does with Tailor now - not brilliantly but acceptably. Having said that, yes, I too will be stopping my purchases but for the simple reason I am going to need to save up between 200 and 800 dollars for Poser5. :)