I knew I read something about Propack in the California Dreaming thread, and here it is: "and there will be continued support and development for the propack and hosting in other programs such as lightwave and Cinema4DXLand MAX and in the near future a new 'Super plugin" that will forever change the relationship between poser and the high end community." from that quote It doesn't seem as if propack is going to be intigrated completely into poser so I think It is pretty safe if you want to get it with the understanding that you may have an upgrade price for that too