Saw this and wanted to post a quick update, the renderer is a little different than planned at the time of these informal details. More accurately it would unofficialy be referred to a "micro polygon renderer", similar to rndrman, and similar to reyes, we'll have more details later. Otherwise, those words from last February still seem to stand up fairly well. I'm almost proud of myself... ;) One last little bit, customers with both Poser 4 and Pro Pack will get the best upgrade pricing. Kupa