Wow, Kumo muat be so happy with the help you guys are giving him! Juat to put my 2 denarians in, I'd buy Poser 4 now. It sounds like P5 is at least several months away, and you can have a lot of fun and learn a lot in that time with P4. Plus I'm sure there will be an upgrade path, so your investment will not be wasted. Sorry I couldn't be more agitated and off topic, though. Regards- Lemurtek