I do believe Curious Labs has made a great effort to take the necessary time to make sure Poser 5 will be "the best it can be." Won't this be the first "really new version" that Curious Labs has created? Weren't the rest of the versions handled by other companies? Didn't Curious Labs just do their best to make things work? This is the way I see it. I don't need anything more to go with Poser 4.03. I don't need any more figures, clothes, utilities, nothing. So I can start saving that money for the Poser 5 upgrade. In my mine, Mike and Vicky have already begun to shift over to the ranks of the "outmoded" characters. Eventually they'll be eating dinner with Posette and Dork, and talking about "the good old days." *** "This message states My Not So Humble Opinion. Your opinion may differ from mine. I respect your opinion!"