looks at the screencaps, and drools inanely I think I know what heaven is now... Mind, I'm one of the P4 learners, as I dun have the patience to learn the side proggies others use to make clothes, tex, hair, whatever, but this looks like it incorporates it all! I just have one request of kupa, if yer still reading these threads and yer brain hasn't crawled out yer ear in an attemt at escaping... PLEASE, find a way to be able to import the final P5 characters into Bryce directly! If that can be done, you've just made one exceptionally droolerifically happy dragon! :-D