Thanks guys! I glad at least some of you don't regard guys like me as MGB! However, I would think it would do Curious Labs well to announce in the near future that current Purchasers of Poser 4 and Proback will get at least the purchase price of that off on Poser 5, that is sort of standard procedure in Software land. Regual procedure is after a certain date the upgrade is free, but in this case I gather we are talking about a price increase, too. I'm not worried about hardware requirements for Poser 5 myself, for one thing it is tax deductable for me (!), and the other thing is computers are just getting faster and faster, and costing less and less, we will eventually reach the point when they are all-powerful and cost next to nothing!