I think I know what you mean.. I kinda get the idea for something when I'm just playin around with the (seemingly_) infinitessimal options and morphs and textures and scenes and models and clothings.. and when I finally do get round to rendering and uploading it I feel really impressed with myself.. but every time I log on I go back to my gallery (to check for comments and to see how they're doin) I find myself looking at the pictures in a whole new light.. and it's never quite what I meant in the first place.. anyhow.. I agree fully that without the pros hangin about spending a lot of their free time making free stuff available for little monkeys like me.. I'd be like an artist with paint, paper... and no goddamn brushL .. it's amazing what has come of this community and it makes me proud to be a (lower) member :D Keep up the good renders and you'll get where you want to be before you even realise what you're doing :) Dolphy..