You might want to take into consideration, that it was MONTHS after Pro Pack's release before it even worked right. Some people were unable to use it at all, before it was patched. This has pretty much been the history of the 'Poser' programs, as a whole, to the point that it's looking like a habit. CL's investors, in the past, have practically forced Cupa and his programming team to release their programs before they are really ready. All that the investor care about, is their EFF'IN money. This time around, I really hope they've all learned their lessons from the past. Otherwise, we are all going to be doing a lot of suffering, as paying 'beta testers' of Poser 5. I am THRILLED by what the new Poser will be able to do. I just don't want to be plagued by a massive amount of bugs, like I have in the past. Most likely, I won't be upgrading until after the Poser 5 patch has been released. From past experience, that means at least 6 months after Poser 5 comes out.