For those of us that use the Poser Pro Pack plugin to open poser files in 3ds MAX, the more animation that you can do in Poser, the better. That is, if there is some type of plugin for Poser 5. Right now, I am using several plugins in 3ds max for hair and clothes. Doing this in Poser is all the better. Discreet is already advertising an upgrade to MAX 5 of $795. Add this together with any upgrade to Poser 5 and I have to watch what I spend to get both. Probably, the vast majority (including me) of Poser users don't fully understand the features in Poser or Poser Pro Pack. We basically operate a far lower level than is possible. Poser 5 will have more features that most Poser users will not learn them. Still, we will buy it anyway because we hate to give up.