Les, you've caught the essence of the situation. Multiple copies of the renamed figure will crosstalk just like any other, unless you make one for each instance, and they are big files. Nulls are miniscule and, as you found, easy to create, once you understand them. As you work with Poser, you find there are almost always several ways of doing things. Sometimes you stick to your favorite; sometimes you pick the tool that best fits the situation. Keeps life interesting - Elisa/gryffnn