Leyla I don't think anyone has ever suggested that poser would or should replace 3dsmax or any of the other programs out there. poser has always been about realistic character animation and posing, I think what CL want is for all the professionals who use max/LW & the rest to take poser seriously as a character tool to be used alongside their existing programs. This might sound like laziness but why spend 6 months modelling a human shaped character in max/LW when you can do it much better with poser in 5 minutes. Rob ps you don't sound rude to me. :) pps catch another email davidrivera :) lol