has anyone tryed a hair/fur plugin for max or other software? i only know the max version of "shaq fur" (or something like that) and it takes "realy long" to render. apply gravity and it takes even longer. i think for most people transmap hair will be the way to go. same for the cloth simulation in maya... takes realy long to compute... what i am trying to say is "jim, a lot like your stuff, please continue" ;-) greetings leyla