I'm sorry that ratteler holds manners is such low esteem. They may seem like a hassle some times but they are one of the things which maintain a civil society. I'm not a PC maven by any means but there are better ways to express disapproval than calling a discussion 'stupid.' The opinion is certainly valid but the means of getting it across leaves something to be desired The signatures on the thank you notes I get from Bill Gates seem suspiciously mass produced but I appreciate getting them anyway.

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken