lyrra >> yours are fine. better than fine.. bloomin fantastic in fact... right I'm gonna use one of yours thenL.. I'll just bump it :D ... I want it to be free because I have a lot of conversion to do (VAMP-ing it.. I would say re-vamp.. but then it'd have to be a vamp texture in the first placeL.. ).. so I'll go and steal all your lovely stuff :P Ron >> I kinda figured I was being a touch optimistic with the free thing.. with quality comes cost.. sigh.. damn that baron greenback (dangermouse... anyone? L) nevermind. .for now it's probably best I set my sights on a freebie.. people are much more forgiving to my rash attempts at editing it thenL. Best free textures I've seen was joelegeckos.. and they're all on poserstylee now. which I'll happily pay for once I get my electric, food, yadda yadda yaddaL thanx again guys :D Dolphy