Glyph >> thanks a lot I'll give that a try.. I've been tweaking another's mesh (why do I feel guilty saying that?L) not mine.. and there's a helluva lot of multi-vertice wibbling goin onL.. I think I'm gonna throw this attempt on the trash pile and mark it all down to learningL.. won't let that stop me though.. nosirL Biker >> thanx bud.. all sounds greta but I can't get the damn thing to start at allL.. I unzip it. unzip some more and I've gotta heap of files with place to goL