Hopefully shade is insdeead released here some day. ardvarc, sub d isnt a particular type of figure as much as it is a method of modelling. Just about any mesh that wasnt created as a nurbs object can be sub - d as long as your program supports sub d. So if you have a poser figure, then you can use that as your sub d model. I dont know if truespace uses subdivision modeling though, I have never used it. Can you create edible poly's in truespace?