Well I don't have the several thousands of dollars to have copies of all those apps :) so I can't do an in-depth analysis of the differences between what Hi-Res does and how those apps handle subdivision surfaces. I haven't seen the latest Truespace, and Max is WAY out of my price range, but from what I understand of the Lightwave implementation it's fairly decent. On the other hand, some of the other mid-range apps don't support subdivision surfaces at all, so for those cases the $30.00 (or $22.50 at the current sale price,) is a fairly cheap alternative. Hi-Res supports three different subdivision methods: the standard Catmull-Clark method for quad-based meshes; the Loop method for triangle based models; and a proprietary SurfaceCurvature method. So you can check if the above apps support the first two methods. I can guarantee that NONE of the apps support the SurfaceCurvature subdivision method, since I invented that one myself :) It's not as mathematically concise as the other two official methods, but it does have it's uses. So it may be useful if only for that method, even if you want to just consider it a toy. For that matter, the last time I bought a toy for one of my kids it cost me more than $30.00 :) The best bet would be to go to the site and download the demo version. Then you can try it out exactly and see if there is any extra features that would make it a worthwhile investment for you. I can also guarantee that version II of the program will have a number of Poser-specific features that these other apps do not, and all version I user's will get a very good deal on the upgrade. Guess I'm starting to sound like one of those evangelists for those high-end apps :) so I better stop there. I will be posting up a feature list for version II, (and a user wish list page,) in the next couple weeks, but since it just came out today, I'd like to hold off until enough people have tried it to even have a wish list :) (The link to the site to download the demo is up in the first message to this thread.)