Thanks all, I know you guys are right,Its just coming from a quick pose and shoot (poser) to Max is a hugh jump. Thanks Konan, I will be waiting for that plugin....That seems to be my missing link... The layers do work well, its just getting the players to interact when rendering separate avi sometimes is tough... I will hang in there.... Some times Too Much Power is a bad thing, I do love the interface in poser/bryce, but I do see the limitless future in Max......Konan.....Keep up the work...Need any more coffee.... Just please dont tell me that it will cost a pile of cash........... Fleanbilly