just a wee pointer here.. we do have an Off-Topic forum here.. pretty much specifically for uhh.. OT stuff.. not that I can claim to have loooked at it LOL .. anyhow.. point is.. I've been coming here for about six months now and right up until last week (ish) I didn't know a topic COULD be locked.. the whole community here has welcomed me full embrace even with my previous lack of any experience whatsoever with poser, they've helped me even when they've heard the question a thousand times before and there's absolutely no need for any of them to do that.. they owe me nothing and it's quite likely I could never pay them back for what they have all given me in tech advice and artistic help.. I just don't want to see this community split because of a few wild bad feelings flying about.. I think pretty much everone here is special in their own way and as human beings we deserve our opinions.. but sometimes it's easier to bite the bullet and nod the head than to rattle horns with your neighbour you know? or maybe I'm just a fruitloopL.. very possible :) Dolphy.