aleks, the admins already said something about it. And really it's out of their hands at the moment. This is really between Steffy and Bobbie. The textures really don't look that much alike. the attached image is the side by side comparison that Blooddoll posted that I composited with one of my own textures, complete with free lip bump map that was posted a while ago and a skin bump i got free here about the same time. The shadowing you are pointing out is poser shadows. The lines can be achieved with morphs on victoria 2. the neck lines.. same thing except I have a specialized morph for them. When composited because of the default poser camera angle ALL THREE images look about the same. now. Is this proof one way or another? No. Just an example. to prove anything we'd have to see the texture maps themselves to compare. Storm