Soulhuntre - you are partially right. Lighting calculations? Nope, Poser doesn't do well, but I did mention classic, low-end companions to Poser that did. The animation, cloth sim and skin deform? ECM will do a reasonable imitation, though, and Poser 5 will do even better, it seems - and still at a reasonable price (I hope) The scene complexity? Well, even ILM had to hire an expert (according to articles it was Christophe Hery) to get the best from rendering massive scenes, and he spoke of several compromises. I'll stop preaching (probably getting boring, anyway ;o) ) - my only point in this wonderfully pointless discussion was to avoid getting crazy about what Poser can't do when compared to the big beasts. That way, much less talent should be held back by the - IMHO - erroneous idea that you can't make great things w/ small packages ;o)