When I first joined this community and bought Poser (and V2, etc), I popped into a chat room one night to get a quick answer to a question...why my shadows were on the floor before the render but not afterwards. Several people treated me badly...not what I've have come to expect since then. Later, one person, who shall remain unnamed, sent me an apologetic IM saying people thought I didn't have book, and therefore, had also stolen the Poser software. I explained I had purchased it but thought I could get a quicker answer than researching the book...which, BTW, the section on shadows didn't seem to address when I read over it a few months later. I even purchased my copy of PKZIP...and since I've been mistrusted before, I paste a little proof: "chuck_evans@charter.net Product Qty Platform Delivery Method Price --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PKZIP Suite 4.5 (digital) 1 Windows 95/98/Me/NT/2000/XP Digital River $ 29.00 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub Total: $ 29.00 Total: $ 29.00" I hate software theft. I hate IP theft. I got a few pieces of software a long time ago when I didn't have the money to purchase it. Volkswriter and Visicalc, I believe. But not since then. Even a small unnecessary shareware utility, Screen Paver, was purchased: "This is to confirm receipt of your registration for Screen Paver. Thank you. The latest version is 3.0. You will need the following User Name and Registration Key to disable the registration reminder screens. Your User Name is: Chuck Evans Your Registration Key is:" The guy wrote a nice screensaver and was only asking $10 for his efforts. I wanted to use it, he deserved it and I sent it. I'll never give away anything that should be paid for. I'll not take anything that has a price on it. There are lots of people like me out there. Hopefully, enough to allow people like you to continue in your livlihood. I tend to agree with a lot of comments above. One being that people who took it probably wouldn't have bought it anyway. One comment NOT made, possible on the positive side, warez'd 3d models/programs may be seen by friends of the person who got it illegaly and decide they want to "dabble" in the art, too. Yet, being honest, they will buy it. People who might not have otherwise seen it. As creators/sellers/artists, perhaps you need to tack on a dollar or two extra, like Walmart does, to cover the expected losses due to warez ahead of time. Or, perhaps hire a secret agent like Renderosibee to snoop around and report on those illegal activities. (sorry, just trying to add some humor to an otherwise serious problem).