Hi What I meant, if you did it please forgive me, delete just the rsr file and then save to your library if you get it up and running. This big fish seems to have more problems than most, perhaps it's afraid Chief Brodie is out to get it I had problems try this linkhttp://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=616406 Sorry thats all I can do to help(well sort of :-)) Dave