Well, I like Carrara (ver. 2). So far I've made some cloths for Mike adn I'm working on a new outfit for Vicki (attached screen shot. It's not quite as powerful as Lightwave, but it does have it's own bones and one of the best internal texturers I've seen, as well as what appears to be an excellent animation section (I haven't explored this part yet!). Also the package ships with Amapi 5.15, so it's native lack of NURBS isn't as big a problem as it first seems. Also the fact that it's price is a fraction of Lightwave or 3D Max helps a lot ;) mike