For an upgrade??? I'll pass. I can live with P4. I have for how many years now? I refuse to pay that much money for an upgrade. I don't even have that much. Most of my credit cards are close to maxing out. If I don't have the money, I simply can't buy, and CL needs to know that this is probably the case with a lot of Poser 4 users. They won't make many sales. I consider that price gouging. Melanie