Melanie just look at how much they priced the pro pack. That was probably a bad strategic move on CL part, but what about those propack users now - they would expect to have at least $100 advantage on the upgrade over normal Poser4 users like you and me, since the Poser 5 is (apparently) going to include everything that was in propack. If you consider this, and the fact that surely CL won't give away Poser 5 for free to propack users, you'll see that the price estimate I made sounds not only realistic but somewhat unavoidable - unfortunately.