Dear lord, I can't remember the last time I saw my manual, I think I lost it in a move (or maybe just lost it I have no idea honestly) Its been forever since I've been around (I think I qualify as an oldie) but I haven't touched bryce in ages. While I understand the troubles with pirating and everyones firm belief in the fact that you should buy the software and support the industry (I totally concur just for refrence) its a shame to see that its degenerated into this. Unless someone is asking for where to get a cd key or what a good warez site is I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt, and we all ought to try our best to help em out regardless of wether or not the information was in the manual. I certaintly remember what a pain in the ass it was to drag information out of the manual, and more often than not it did a terrible job of explaining what was going on. SO come on folks, a little consideration for the struggling newbies, you probably would have appreciated it when you were just starting out. -Tempest-