Iv'e got the book, but being very visually oriented, it doesn't help me that much. I have to read up on the Inficon Transpector and Jade by Princton Gammatech at work. Call me selfish but I hate to have to come home to my hobby and crack open "another" manual. I have seen some silly questions but I either put my two cents in or just move on to the next thread. I don't like the warez kid's either asking, how can I get free bryce?" I did however download the 30 day trial before I purchased. The disappearing menus drove me crazy for the first day or so then it clicked for me. If I had even known about renderosity then I would have probably asked some stupid questions. If I had been blown off corel would be a couple hundred bucks shorter now and I would be in another forum. If the dumb requests are clogging up the cyberwaves maybe its time to create a bryce newbee or image or technical forum and split the posts. I'd like to think there was some place I could ask a stupid question on renderosity without being pounded. When I posted in my first Rhino challenge I got hammered for not obeying the rules of the post. I told the moderator three times that the rules were hard to find and he steered me back to url's where the information wasn't. In the meantime other people were posting late and a 2D coloring contest had broken out in the forum. I have not been back. And sorry "Bob McNeel" but when 3.0 comes out I will be sliding into lightwave. There are people who get on forums and make dumb remarks like, "Tell me how I can render your mama", that need to be shut down and soundly trounced. It should be the job of the forum administrator to show them the door. There also really are eight year olds out there and prople who are genuinely and honestly dumb. Believe it or not, its not a sin! Tommy makes his way from the group home to the bus every day. He earns enough bagging my groceries to keep himself off the public dole and he always smiles and talks to me. If he asked me, "How'd ya make them purty pictures?", I'd give him my best answer even if he probably would never get it. Agentsmith and Clay are the names I see at the top of the forum. They can terminate abusive threads and block users from accessing the site. It's not your job to weed the pure out from the purile and smite them with your whitty banter. If a post seems juvenile just don't reply. They're pretty loose about questions in the poser forum and they seem to be running ten times the volume of messages. It could be the tolerance, (naah.. It's probably the boobs).